Jim Balthazar, retired ATF SSA, and ATF Deputy Chief Paul Massock, provide training for media outlets to help them understand the intricacies of “Law Enforcement Use of Force” policies. On today’s episode of Law and Disorder, they stop by the Precinct 444 Studio to break down Use of Force for our listeners in their first-ever podcast interview.

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